[identity profile] mark-asphodel.livejournal.com

From the way the Seth/Eirika supports go, one might assume that marriages between royalty and their knights are forbidden in Magvel.  The way the entire Ismaire/Carlyle fiasco plays out lends this some support, and a good deal of fanfic and meta uses this assumption as a springboard in any event.

On examination, though, is it really the case?  Consider the counter-evidence.

1) Seth/Eirika paired ending.  "[They] were wed, with the blessings of Ephraim and all the Knights of Renais.  The tale... became a beloved romance in Renais."  Sounds like nobody objects, then.

2) Joshua and his ladies.  Both the ending with Natasha (his "perfect companion") and the one with Marisa indicate no hint of turmoil, and you might imagine that the citizens of Jehanna would be a wee bit leery of unconventional relationships.  Apparently not.

3) Innes/Vanessa.  All of it.  Not to mention their paired ending also states they "lived happily with the blessing of all around them."  And while Joshua might be pegged as a renegade royal who does things his own way, I don't recall any indication that Innes is a particularly oddball Prince of Frelia.  If anything, he's presented as the opposite, a royal heir who strives to fulfill the common expectation of what the role requires.  He's got no problem at all hooking up with one of his knights (even if we assume he doesn't marry her) and apparently no one else is bothered by it, either. 

In fact, the royal marriage that does cause public outcry is the union of Ephraim and L'Arachel, which "throws Rausten into turmoil" for whatever reason.  Interesting.  

World-building in Magvel being what it is, we know next to nothing about the marriages of any of the senior representatives of the royal houses. We don't know if Fado, Vigarde, and Hayden married nobles/clerics from their own courts, or foreigners, or perhaps members of their own retinue of knights[*].  As the game doesn't mention any of the royal heirs being closely related, it's not too likely that Fado married Hayden's sister (for example), but that's still within the realm of possibility.

But, aside from the situation of Carlyle and Ismaire-- a unique situation of a ruling queen with a dead husband and a missing son-- there's not really hard evidence that matches between royalty and commoners are forbidden.  In Ismaire's case, a second marriage could potentially result in a "king" of Jehanna whose progeny could break the line of descent from Jehanna's unnamed founder, so Carlyle's situation is especially problematic.  He's got more against him than just being a commoner, even if we assume (again) that second marriages are even allowed in Magvel.  As [livejournal.com profile] crimsonmorgans pointed out, they might not be.  We don't have positive evidence for second marriages being acceptable.
 
At any rate, while the marriage of Eliwood to either Fiora or Lyn in FE7 is stated to cause conflicts/uproar, we don't see anyone in Magvel throwing fits over Joshua bringing home a cleric from Grado, or even over Eirika going off to nowhere land to live with some dude in the mountains.  The only thing the public won't take, apparently, is L'Arachel Princess of Light taking the Restoration King as her husband.  (Again, interesting.)

So, what's up with all the objections raised in the Eirika/Seth supports?  Well, it could be a couple of things.  There could be a double standard for acceptable behavior in princes and acceptable behavior in princesses.  There might be a different standard of conduct in Renais, the nation with no female knights or generals, compared to Frelia.  Or the whole dynamic could say more about Seth and Eirika, their personalities and self-perceptions and fears, than about Renais in particular or Magvel in general.  Note the vast difference in tone between Eirika's supports with Seth and her supports with Forde.

I tend to think Seth's objections are coming from more of a personal level.  The way Eirika made him feel during their escape rattled his self-perception and some of his own core assumptions re: duty and social roles, and I don't think that can be underestimated.  He wasn't expecting that.  From the way he speaks of it in their A-support, it got to him deeply.  And if the great knight of Renais can feel that way for his princess, what else might be he capable of that he doesn't even know or expect?  Over the course of the war, Seth sees more than enough of the damage caused by obsessive love; he wouldn't want to even think about risking Eirika and everything else he values.  The cost, as seen in the antics of Orson, Carlyle, and Lyon, would simply be too great.  And Eirika, at least in the course of their conversation, does echo the objections as Seth defines them.

And then she marries him anyway.  Hmm...

* A fair possibility for Hayden, in any event, especially as royal women serve as Pegasus Knights.  

[identity profile] norree.livejournal.com
So I will be attempting to do an October Challenge, in which I draw a FE8 picture every day of the month, leading up to Halloween.

And, I want to post them to the community, but that would be one post every day. So how should I post them? I have no problem with posting every day, but would that be too spammy for everyone?

Oh, and most of the pics will be of the characters in our modern world, because they'll be based off of my AU fanfic. Some will still probably be knight related, tho.

Any advice is really appreciated!!

Also, in case anyone didn't see, have two fall chibi pics under the cut!artsy fartsy )
[identity profile] norree.livejournal.com
I'm so excited that I joined this community!
Well, I spend most of my time drawing, but since I love FE8 I decided to go ahead and make a fanficiton! So please keep in mind that I'm not much of a writer, ha!
But here it is.

Title: Lost In the Fields
Rating: T {for now}
Genre: Slice-of-Life, Drama, Angst, Romance...a lot of things!
Description: A few Renais warriors are suddenly transported by a druid into a strange, new world--OURS! Watch seven characters struggle as they try to adapt to our strange, modern world. Friendship, Drama, Romance. SethxFranz, KnollxNatasha, ColmxNeimi, CaellachxFranz.

Here's the link, hope you guys enjoy! <3 (Most of this was written a year ago, so bear with me!)
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7369701/1/Lost_In_the_Fields
[identity profile] crimsonmorgan.livejournal.com
Title: Reviving Memories
Rating: PG-13
Word Count: 854
Main characters: Seth
Pairings: onesided Seth-> Fado
Warning/ special Contents: Creepiness
A/N: Complete AN at the bottom of the story.

Summary: It is not friendship alone that keeps Seth close to the twins.

Here on ff.net and here on dreamwidth.
[identity profile] nagasasu.livejournal.com
Title: Come As You Are
Characters/ pairings:  woman!Seth/Eirika
Rating: PG-13/T
Word Count: 3273
Warnings: references to rape, sexism, and homophobia
Genre: Drama
Author's note:This is a result of the spectacular genderswap pieces in the X-Men: First Class fandom on Livejournal. In particular, this piece is a result of the opening lines of [livejournal.com profile] waterpulse ’s “Bless the Broken Road.” This was also written while listening to Rebecca Loebe’s cover of Come As You Are and with [livejournal.com profile] crimsonmorgan ’s encouragement.  This is cross-posted on FF.n, but the version posted here retains the original formatting.

Feedback is greatly appreciated considering the nature of this piece.

Last Edited: August 4, 2011 (thanks [livejournal.com profile] amielleon )

That she is born female does not dissuade her father at all. So, she is named Seth. )
[identity profile] booksandanimals.livejournal.com

LJ seems to be working. Yes!

Title: All We Need
Characters/ pairings: Seth talking about his country and Eirika
Rating: Teen due to an...interesting...metaphor
Word Count: 279
Author's note: This ficlet literally popped up in my brain and asked to be written. It's partly based off a joke I have with myself that "Seth is yandere for Renais." What I got was this...and I can't answer confidently whether or not it's SethxEirika or a Seth story that talks about Eirika. It's also some kind of "outside looking in" writing-I'm feeling rather reflective. Though it does feel weird having Seth think in contractions, despite my recalling their usage in his dialogue.

A Different Kind of Love )

[identity profile] darkunlimited.livejournal.com
Title: Noblesse Oblige
Characters/Pairings: Fem!Seth/Eirika
Rating: On the higher end of PG-13
Word Count: 5,400~
Genre: Drama/Romance
Summary: The recently-promoted captain turns out to be a young woman in disguise. Eirika's curiosity is rightly piqued.
Notes: AU genderswap, for a couple of people who wanted to see it. Definitely didn't turn out the way I thought it would...


Soon she would discover that her own personal restraint grew inversely proportional to Eirika's whimsy. )
[identity profile] korsriddare.livejournal.com
I have talked about this in my journal about two years ago, but I thought this could be a good (and first!) discussion post.

My point of contention here is, contrary to popular beliefs, Seth is actually younger than both Forde and Kyle.

I present my argument (as written in my original post, with some editing and different comments) in a sequential-logic manner here:

Cut because Kors is being long-winded )

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